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After my last update on my credit card churning experiment, Megan asked a couple of questions in the comments.
I decided to make this into its own post, because these aren’t short answers. So today I’ll be delving into some of the technical details of this experiment. If you aren’t eligible for military fee waivers, skip down to the answer to question 2. Unless you are curious, in which case – read as much as you want!
Question 1: How To Waive Annual Fees For Military Personnel
1) Can you talk through the process when you contacted the companies to request waiving the annual fee for military members?”
If you’ve been following along with my experiment, you know I’ve added two credit cards to my wallet – a Chase Sapphire Preferred and an American Express Platinum card (referral links). I also previously had another Chase card and a separate card from way, way back when I was in college.
Chase
Up until very recently, Chase did not offer any benefits to military members (that I know of anyway) that weren’t required by law – specifically the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act (SCRA). A lot of people attribute many, many benefits to this legislation that actually have nothing to do with it. For instance, waiving of annual fees is not part of SCRA, so Chase didn’t waive annual fees for military members. The companies that do waive annual fees for military members are doing it voluntarily to show support for the military – it has nothing to do with SCRA (even if they list it on an SCRA explanation page).
What does that mean for me? It means that when I called up Chase to see if I could get my annual fee waived because I was in the military, the answer was no. I don’t remember exactly when I called, but it was sometime in late September 2017 because my annual fee for my first Chase card (not the Sapphire Preferred) was due on October 1st. So – no joy on getting this annual fee waived. Keep that in mind, it becomes important when I move on to question #2.
My second Chase card, the Sapphire Preferred, has its annual fee waived for the first year as part of the signup offer available to everybody. Because of that, I haven’t done anything yet to request it be waived. I’ve only owned the card for a few months and that is something I would normally do closer to the due date.
Military Lending Act (MLA)
That being said – in mid October, Chase announced that they would begin waiving annual fees for military cardholders as part of their response and compliance with the MLA.
NOTE: MLA is not SCRA (I keep seeing people conflate them in discussions online)
Many others have written about this, so I won’t go into detail. You can find more information here. Bottom line, Chase is now waiving annual fees for military members – but only for credit cards opened after September 20th, 2017. That means neither of my current Chase cards qualifies for the fee waiver. So when my next annual fee comes due, I plan to call up to Chase and ask them to waive it. If they don’t (which is what I expect to happen) I’ll either downgrade the card to a no-fee option or close the account. Which one I decide to do will be based on the current rules in place at the time.
By the way, I’ve seen several articles claim that Chase is waiving the annual fee because MLA requires that companies not charge military members an APR above 36%. While that rule is true, it is optional for the companies to consider the annual fee part of the military APR. That’s why you aren’t seeing articles about all companies suddenly waiving annual fees.
You can find out more about the Chase Sapphire Preferred card, including my bonus and included benefits, here and here.
American Express
In order to get my AMEX annual fee (a hefty $550/year normally) waived for my military service, I went to the AMEX SCRA page and followed the instructions there. I chose to call the provided phone number – you can also apply online, via fax (those still exist?), or by mail.
The phone call was simple – I explained that I was a miltiary member looking to activate my SCRA benefits and get my annual fee waived. The customer service agent at AMEX asked me a few questions that would be used to verify my service. The phone call took maybe 10 minutes total.
I was told verification and activation of my benefits could take up to 30 days; it ended up taking about two weeks. The website says 60 days, so don’t get mad at me if yours takes longer! I received an email saying “we are handling your account referenced above in accordance with the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act” and then it explained some of the benefits I was receiving, including waiving my annual fee. Or rather, they called it “suppressing” my annual membership fee. Whatever, so long as I don’t have to pay it I’m happy!
Other “suppressed” fees include overlimit fees, late payment fees, returned payment fees, and statement copy request fees for the duration of my active military duty service. I have to say, that’s incredibly generous of them. Another reason to love the AMEX Platinum!
You can find out more about my AMEX Platinum card, including my bonus and the included benefits, here.
Question 2: Long Term Plan For Opening/Closing Cards
2) What’s your plan for churning long-term to close/open the same or similar cards to get the “new sign-up bonus”? i.e. When you first opened the CSP and AMEX cards, you got the sign-up bonus for spending $X in the first 3 months. If I don’t want to be opening up new cards forever, is there a way to eventually close these cards and re-open them at a later time to get the new sign-up bonus?”
This one is complicated, because the rules are constantly changing. So this is my plan at this moment. It may change at any time.
BLUF: if you want to keep earning signup bonuses, you will indeed have to keep opening cards. Whether they are new to you or not, though, depends on several things, including the company’s rules and your own objectives.
First up, in case you skipped the first part, let’s recap which credit cards I currently have (or recently changed).
- My oldest credit card, which I use just a couple times each year. I keep this one open to maintain my long credit history. This card offers cash back and has no annual fee.
- My Chase United Mileage Plus card. I opened this one in 2013 to take advantage of a signup bonus and have used it as my daily card ever since.
- The Chase Sapphire Preferred Card (referral link). This is the card I opened when I first started this experiment.
- The American Express Platinum Card (referral link). I opened this card at the beginning of October.
Oldest Credit Card
I’m not going to close this one. There is no signup bonus, so closing it down won’t allow me to earn another eventually. It has no annual fee. Keeping it open keeps my credit history lengthy – and closing it means my oldest card would only be 4 years old. ’nuff said.
Chase Card #1
The card I opened in 2013 is one of Chase’s United cards. United is my airline of choice because it offers direct service to my most frequent destinations. When I was looking for a new card back then it made sense for me to look for one that gave me United points. This is the one I went with.
This card has an annual fee. Given the benefits of the other cards I’ve since opened, there was no reason for me to keep paying this fee. But, I wanted to keep the account history open, plus the large credit limit on this card helps keep my credit utilization low. That’s important if you want to keep your credit score high.
So I called up Chase and asked whether they’d waive the annual fee. If you read my answer to question 1, you know the answer was no. Then I asked about converting this card into a no-fee card. The phone call took about 15 minutes total, mostly because I kept asking questions because I wasn’t aware of the process. I’ll save you the trouble and tell you what I learned.
Chase United MileagePlus Cards
In order to convert this card to a new card, it had to stay within the Chase United MileagePlus family. There were a couple cards to choose from, but most of them required an annual fee. Since the whole purpose of switching was to avoid the annual fee, I ended up with the base level card. That’s perfectly fine with me. Like I said, the primary reason for keeping this card is to keep the history open – this card does that. The other benefits that are available on the cards that have annual fees are already covered by the credit cards listed below, so I don’t need them from this card.
If I decide to get this card again to get another signup bonus, I just have to wait two years since I last earned the bonus. That’s Chase’s current rules – which could change at any time. Since I earned this bonus in 2013, I could do that now if I wanted. Therefore, this card is already in the running as a potential card for my card churning experiment.
Chase Sapphire Preferred Card
I plan to keep this card open for the time being. Since Chase’s rule is that you can’t earn the bonus on the same card for 24 months, and my fee is waived for the first year, there is no reason to close it now. However, they also recently changed their rules to say that you could only get one bonus within the Sapphire family within 24 months. That means I can’t get the bonus for the Chase Sapphire Reserve until 2019. Bummer.
Will I close this card in 2018? If they don’t waive my annual fee – probably. However, since Chase gives me Ultimate Rewards points on this card (as opposed to giving me United miles on the other card) I need to either use those points or transfer them to a partner before I close the card. Otherwise, the points go bye-bye. That would not be good! So look for future posts where I either use those points up, or open another card that gives me Ultimate Rewards points (as long as I have one card that earns UR points I can keep them), or I transfer them to a partner (probably United).
American Express Platinum Card
I have no intention of closing this card while I remain in the military. With the incredible travel benefits and AMEX’s waiving of the annual fee for active duty status military personnel, there’s no reason I should. Keeping it open will let me continue to use those benefits throughout my career. When I’m no longer in the military, I’ll assess whether it’s worth the money to pay for the annual fee on this one. I can definitely see how I will get hundreds of dollars worth of value out of it every year.
Also: AMEX doesn’t allow you to re-earn the signup bonus on any particular card, so closing this account wouldn’t benefit me in the future. So I’ll just keep it open! If I want to earn more bonuses from AMEX, I can always sign up for a different card.
Future Cards
Again – every card and company is different, so whether I close the cards in order to re-earn bonuses will depend on that particular card’s rules. I suspect I will keep some cards open – especially if I open any more that have waived annual fees and don’t allow me to earn the bonus more than once (AMEX). Others I will close and reopen to re-earn the bonus. Some I might close and never re-open. We’ll see. I plan to stay flexible and follow the whims of the credit card companies.
So that’s my plan for now. I hope that helps, Megan!
Angela @ Tread Lightly Retire Early says
Big question (for my family) is, are there any cards that do this for *any* military, including vets, or does this seem to be 100% active duty / retired only?
MilitaryDollar says
Hmmmm…I’m still new to this so I definitely am not an expert, but so far I’ve only heard about waived fees for currently serving military members who are in active status (so Reserves and Guard can sometimes qualify). I haven’t heard of it being done for retirees or other veterans. However, getting a card through one of the military friendly banks might work. I’ve heard good things about USAA cards. This link might help too (I haven’t verified the accuracy or currency of this info): https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/082916/4-best-credit-cards-military-veterans-2016.asp
Jaimie says
If you downgrade your Chase sapphire preferred to a freedom or even the basic sapphire your UR should stick with the card as those products also use UR. The benefits decrease with the freedom as it is marketed as a (rotating category) cash back card, but if you plan to save for another year, you can transfer them back to the Reserve when/if you get that for the increased benefit.
Also be aware of Chase’s 5/24 language meaning they will not issue new cards to people who have opened more than 5 personal cards in the last 24 months.
MilitaryDollar says
Yep, I talk about the 5/24 rule in some of my other posts. The good news is business cards don’t count against the 5/24 rule (for now) and there are some great bonuses with those, so I’m hoping to weave some business cards in to really maximize my Chase Gauntlet!
Katie says
Thanks for all the great info! I’m looking at what Chase card I want to open first/what order I’ll go in. Are all reward points worth the same, regardless of the card? For example, the IHG card gives 60,000 points after a $1k spend…seems like an awesome deal. But would a hotel rewards card have less value if I’m trying to buy a flight in the chase portal?
MilitaryDollar says
If you are earning Chase Ultimate Rewards points, they are all the same regardless of the type of card. The IHG are doesn’t earn UR points though. It earns IHG Rewards Club points. You can use them on things other than hotel nights, but they aren’t a good use of your hotel points.
In other words, 60k UR points is equal to 60k IHG points if you are booking a hotel, but 60k IHG is worth only 12k airline miles if you convert them to buy a flight. That’s a terrible conversion rate 🤢
If you want free flights, I’d recommend either an airline card or one that earns UR points (or another program like UR that has flexible points). Hotel cards are best for earning free hotel stays.
Hope that helps!
Moni says
Where can I find a list of chases current rules? So far in the last 8 months I have done a personal card and a business card… do I qualify to get any other signup bonuses?
MilitaryDollar says
There isn’t really one place to find all of the rules. Chase lists their terms and conditions for each card, but they have broader rules that you have to pay attention to as well. This is a decent resource: https://www.asksebby.com/blog/rules-to-know-for-chase-credit-card-applications (Ask Sebby is also a good YouTube channel).
If you’ve done 1 personal and 1 business card in 8 months, you should be fine for signup bonuses. You just need to watch out for any of the catches. For instance, you can’t get another Sapphire card if you already have one, and they just announced the same rule applies to having the Southwest personal cards. But if you are getting very different cards – for instance, you already have Chase Sapphire Preferred and Chase Ink Business and now you want a Disney card – that should be fine.
Moni says
Thank you!
Doug says
I have a CSR, AMEX Everyday Preferred and Amex Platinum with the annual fees waived.
Do you know if Chase and AMEX waive fee on all cards issued? I’ve only seen people writing about CSR and CSP
MilitaryDollar says
The story is that Chase and AMEX waive all personal card annual fees for active status military. There are some reports of business card fees not being waived, but I don’t have personal experience on that yet. And occasionally people will say they weren’t successful getting the fees waived, but that’s usually because they aren’t in active status.
Josh says
I am in the same situation as you when it comes to the Chase Sapphire Reserve. I applied in August 2017 and the rule didn’t go into effect until September 2017. I am looking at alternatives credit card companies that too waive the annual fee due to MLA. Thus far, I have only come up with Bank of America (already have AMEX).